Thursday, December 21, 2006
If Its Fun It Should Be Illegal
After years of being completely legal, unregulated, and causing massive fun for potheads everywhere, the government folks who regulate fun are finally finding out about salvia divinorum.
What "The Man" says:
Let me enlighten you to the short, and long-term effects of Salvia, I've used salvia before, actually three times. And let me tell you, its the wildest trip you'll find, period. After you've smoked Salvia, drugs like Acid, Exstasy, and Magic Mushrooms seem like Children's Tylenol, a total joke.
The effects are that you leave your body, you "hallucinate". It's not your daddy's hallucination though. While hallucinating on other drugs, you know that what you're seeing is not real, and thats why we enjoy it. Salvia however, you don't know that you're hallucinating. The reality bites you hard in the ass, and thats why its such a disturbing drug, even to the hardest drug users. Time loses all meaning, on a single trip you can feel as though years, even decades have passed. Out of body experiences are also common, though even those are different. People have reported becoming abstract things, like puddles, the paint on the wall, or in my case I became the couch. The real trip for me was spending what felt like 20 years as my couch. At first I didn't like it, it was boring. But as the 20 years progressed, I became content with my position as a couch, and I tried to be the best couch I could be. Sound maniacal? Well, it probably is.
Now you're probably thinking that people on Salvia are dangerous lunatics who have no grasp of reality. And you're right, except for the dangerous part. Saliva completely incapacitates its smoker. The greatest danger you pose to those around you is that you might gather the gumption to stand up, and if you do, you'll promptly be on the ground again. I have never seen someone on Salvia travel more than 3ft, its just not possible.
Scary stuff to the unenlightened, I know! The other things about Salvia that should be known, is that it might be the polar opposite of addictive. Every first-time Salvia smoker will tell you one thing the next day: "glad I did it, but I'll never do it again". It causes long term terror in the mind of the smoker, complete and utter fear of such a mind altering drug. Nobody smokes Salvia and says "Lets do it again!".
Even amongst lovers of the Herb, such as myself, does anybody smoke this stuff more than once a month. Not because its unaffordable or dangerous, just because nobody in their right mind would want to. It's difficult to explain, but ask your local Salvia smoker.
The other great thing about Salvia, is that its a 15-minute high. You are in a different world for 15 minutes, and then you return to This Reality, and hard. Most people need a 5 minute re-assimilation period, but everybody makes it.
The only long term effect of the drug is that the user will ask himself for weeks afterwards "What in the fuck was that?". Which is not dangerous, and some of us go back for more, to try to figure it out (btw - you can't figure it out).
So my question is this: why criminalize it? It causes no longterm harm to the user, it has no addictive properties, it causes zero short-term harm to the community. It's fifteen minutes of fun, nothing more, nothing less.
I would sincerely like to read commentary on why people think this drug should be illegal, other than to support the "War on Drugs".
What "The Man" says:
Health Canada has been 'monitoring' the national and international trend of salvia use but say the long-term effects of the hallucinogen are unknown. In the short term, they say, it has been known to cause unconsciousness and short-term memory loss but they are not aware of any dependency.
"If it ever came to the point where there was an influx of use and police and health-care professionals said this substance posed a threat, then we would take appropriate action," says Health Canada spokesman Jason Bouzanis. "For now, we're continuing to collect relevant information specific to this substance."
Salvia has been used for hundreds of years by the Mazatec indigenous people of Mexico for spiritual trips and is usually chewed or smoked. It gives users a short but powerful hallucination, lasting anywhere from 30 seconds to 30 minutes.
Let me enlighten you to the short, and long-term effects of Salvia, I've used salvia before, actually three times. And let me tell you, its the wildest trip you'll find, period. After you've smoked Salvia, drugs like Acid, Exstasy, and Magic Mushrooms seem like Children's Tylenol, a total joke.
The effects are that you leave your body, you "hallucinate". It's not your daddy's hallucination though. While hallucinating on other drugs, you know that what you're seeing is not real, and thats why we enjoy it. Salvia however, you don't know that you're hallucinating. The reality bites you hard in the ass, and thats why its such a disturbing drug, even to the hardest drug users. Time loses all meaning, on a single trip you can feel as though years, even decades have passed. Out of body experiences are also common, though even those are different. People have reported becoming abstract things, like puddles, the paint on the wall, or in my case I became the couch. The real trip for me was spending what felt like 20 years as my couch. At first I didn't like it, it was boring. But as the 20 years progressed, I became content with my position as a couch, and I tried to be the best couch I could be. Sound maniacal? Well, it probably is.
Now you're probably thinking that people on Salvia are dangerous lunatics who have no grasp of reality. And you're right, except for the dangerous part. Saliva completely incapacitates its smoker. The greatest danger you pose to those around you is that you might gather the gumption to stand up, and if you do, you'll promptly be on the ground again. I have never seen someone on Salvia travel more than 3ft, its just not possible.
Scary stuff to the unenlightened, I know! The other things about Salvia that should be known, is that it might be the polar opposite of addictive. Every first-time Salvia smoker will tell you one thing the next day: "glad I did it, but I'll never do it again". It causes long term terror in the mind of the smoker, complete and utter fear of such a mind altering drug. Nobody smokes Salvia and says "Lets do it again!".
Even amongst lovers of the Herb, such as myself, does anybody smoke this stuff more than once a month. Not because its unaffordable or dangerous, just because nobody in their right mind would want to. It's difficult to explain, but ask your local Salvia smoker.
The other great thing about Salvia, is that its a 15-minute high. You are in a different world for 15 minutes, and then you return to This Reality, and hard. Most people need a 5 minute re-assimilation period, but everybody makes it.
The only long term effect of the drug is that the user will ask himself for weeks afterwards "What in the fuck was that?". Which is not dangerous, and some of us go back for more, to try to figure it out (btw - you can't figure it out).
So my question is this: why criminalize it? It causes no longterm harm to the user, it has no addictive properties, it causes zero short-term harm to the community. It's fifteen minutes of fun, nothing more, nothing less.
I would sincerely like to read commentary on why people think this drug should be illegal, other than to support the "War on Drugs".
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it seems ridiculous that salvia remains legal while things like khat and peyote/san pedro remain illegal.
to be quite honest though, the government needs to take a stance on it. Either for or against. I can't quite verbalize why right now, but it's definitely a substance that needs to be classified
to be quite honest though, the government needs to take a stance on it. Either for or against. I can't quite verbalize why right now, but it's definitely a substance that needs to be classified
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: December 22, 2006 10:06 AM
: December 22, 2006 10:06 AM 
now now, he's not saying regulate it, only make an opinion. I think that's ok, as long as the opinion is that they shouldn't do anything about it.
no, I want it regulated. I want every fucking square of toilet paper used by the sordid public tallied and accounted for. I've made my case clear that the people have no business looking after their own best interests, and there is no arguments that they are capable of doing so.
The government is in place to help the people who can't help themselves (ie: 95% of the population) so they need to step up and tell us what we should think about salvia divinorum.
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The government is in place to help the people who can't help themselves (ie: 95% of the population) so they need to step up and tell us what we should think about salvia divinorum.
end.
# posted by : December 27, 2006 5:33 PM
: December 27, 2006 5:33 PM
In my early experiences with salvia, the drug mystified me. On my first trip, I was a child that then melded with the universe as god destroyed all life and existence. On another trip, I was a grocery store. Very humorous…
But then I found that by consecutively tripping, back-to-back; I could break beyond those “hallucinations” and into a new realm of the soul. I was enlightened. I could venture as a soul through understanding impossible to explain and salvia got me there.
Now I’d heard of others who had reached this point, by smoking Salvia, DMT, etc… but Salvia was the only one I could get my hands on. I would trip and have normal salvia hallucinations, then trip again and they would be more intense, then again, then again, then again, until during my hallucinations, I knew I was tripping. I would be a tool shed, but then pull myself away from it and leave. It is nearly impossible for me to remember what happened at that point, but I would right down everything I could the moment I would return. Then trip again.
Then I met someone, a young man who showed me salvia tincture. He seemed to know a lot about salvia and when I tried the liquid form of the drug, I found that the effects were longer lasting and much easier to settle into. One day he claimed to have found the meaning of life. He Killed Himself There After.
Now I’ve heard people claim they learned the meaning of life through this drug, or others like it. And they seemed to have all agreed that our meaning is this: Nothing. But my friend would not have killed himself over “nothing” So I decided to learn the truth for myself. And then I did…
No person should ever understand the terrible truth of life, like I have. The plant should be destroyed; it was created be Satan to show us the true meaning of life, so that we will all kill ourselves. Once you know why everything was created, everything is meaningless. And I assure you, we have a meaning… it is not “nothing”
It is far more depressing.
Do not go searching for life’s meaning, anywhere. God does not want you to know the answer. I can still feel the horror that consumed me when I learned the answer; I still feel ashamed to be apart of this “life” and am disgusted by every person, animal, plant, and insect that I see. I still battle with just giving up.
If one of you does feel it necessary to learn the terrible truth remember this when your world seems destroyed, it is what has gotten me through:
“It may be the reason you live, but it is not what you live for.”
But then I found that by consecutively tripping, back-to-back; I could break beyond those “hallucinations” and into a new realm of the soul. I was enlightened. I could venture as a soul through understanding impossible to explain and salvia got me there.
Now I’d heard of others who had reached this point, by smoking Salvia, DMT, etc… but Salvia was the only one I could get my hands on. I would trip and have normal salvia hallucinations, then trip again and they would be more intense, then again, then again, then again, until during my hallucinations, I knew I was tripping. I would be a tool shed, but then pull myself away from it and leave. It is nearly impossible for me to remember what happened at that point, but I would right down everything I could the moment I would return. Then trip again.
Then I met someone, a young man who showed me salvia tincture. He seemed to know a lot about salvia and when I tried the liquid form of the drug, I found that the effects were longer lasting and much easier to settle into. One day he claimed to have found the meaning of life. He Killed Himself There After.
Now I’ve heard people claim they learned the meaning of life through this drug, or others like it. And they seemed to have all agreed that our meaning is this: Nothing. But my friend would not have killed himself over “nothing” So I decided to learn the truth for myself. And then I did…
No person should ever understand the terrible truth of life, like I have. The plant should be destroyed; it was created be Satan to show us the true meaning of life, so that we will all kill ourselves. Once you know why everything was created, everything is meaningless. And I assure you, we have a meaning… it is not “nothing”
It is far more depressing.
Do not go searching for life’s meaning, anywhere. God does not want you to know the answer. I can still feel the horror that consumed me when I learned the answer; I still feel ashamed to be apart of this “life” and am disgusted by every person, animal, plant, and insect that I see. I still battle with just giving up.
If one of you does feel it necessary to learn the terrible truth remember this when your world seems destroyed, it is what has gotten me through:
“It may be the reason you live, but it is not what you live for.”
# posted by : January 16, 2007 3:53 PM
: January 16, 2007 3:53 PM
In my early experiences with salvia, the drug mystified me. On my first trip, I was a child that then melded with the universe as god destroyed all life and existence. On another trip, I was a grocery store. Very humorous…
But then I found that by consecutively tripping, back-to-back; I could break beyond those “hallucinations” and into a new realm of the soul. I was enlightened. I could venture as a soul through understanding impossible to explain and salvia got me there.
Now I’d heard of others who had reached this point, by smoking Salvia, DMT, etc… but Salvia was the only one I could get my hands on. I would trip and have normal salvia hallucinations, then trip again and they would be more intense, then again, then again, then again, until during my hallucinations, I knew I was tripping. I would be a tool shed, but then pull myself away from it and leave. It is nearly impossible for me to remember what happened at that point, but I would right down everything I could the moment I would return. Then trip again.
Then I met someone, a young man who showed me salvia tincture. He seemed to know a lot about salvia and when I tried the liquid form of the drug, I found that the effects were longer lasting and much easier to settle into. One day he claimed to have found the meaning of life. He Killed Himself There After.
Now I’ve heard people claim they learned the meaning of life through this drug, or others like it. And they seemed to have all agreed that our meaning is this: Nothing. But my friend would not have killed himself over “nothing” So I decided to learn the truth for myself. And then I did…
No person should ever understand the terrible truth of life, like I have. The plant should be destroyed; it was created be Satan to show us the true meaning of life, so that we will all kill ourselves. Once you know why everything was created, everything is meaningless. And I assure you, we have a meaning… it is not “nothing”
It is far more depressing.
Do not go searching for life’s meaning, anywhere. God does not want you to know the answer. I can still feel the horror that consumed me when I learned the answer; I still feel ashamed to be apart of this “life” and am disgusted by every person, animal, plant, and insect that I see. I still battle with just giving up.
If one of you does feel it necessary to learn the terrible truth remember this when your world seems destroyed, it is what has gotten me through:
“It may be the reason you live, but it is not what you live for.”
But then I found that by consecutively tripping, back-to-back; I could break beyond those “hallucinations” and into a new realm of the soul. I was enlightened. I could venture as a soul through understanding impossible to explain and salvia got me there.
Now I’d heard of others who had reached this point, by smoking Salvia, DMT, etc… but Salvia was the only one I could get my hands on. I would trip and have normal salvia hallucinations, then trip again and they would be more intense, then again, then again, then again, until during my hallucinations, I knew I was tripping. I would be a tool shed, but then pull myself away from it and leave. It is nearly impossible for me to remember what happened at that point, but I would right down everything I could the moment I would return. Then trip again.
Then I met someone, a young man who showed me salvia tincture. He seemed to know a lot about salvia and when I tried the liquid form of the drug, I found that the effects were longer lasting and much easier to settle into. One day he claimed to have found the meaning of life. He Killed Himself There After.
Now I’ve heard people claim they learned the meaning of life through this drug, or others like it. And they seemed to have all agreed that our meaning is this: Nothing. But my friend would not have killed himself over “nothing” So I decided to learn the truth for myself. And then I did…
No person should ever understand the terrible truth of life, like I have. The plant should be destroyed; it was created be Satan to show us the true meaning of life, so that we will all kill ourselves. Once you know why everything was created, everything is meaningless. And I assure you, we have a meaning… it is not “nothing”
It is far more depressing.
Do not go searching for life’s meaning, anywhere. God does not want you to know the answer. I can still feel the horror that consumed me when I learned the answer; I still feel ashamed to be apart of this “life” and am disgusted by every person, animal, plant, and insect that I see. I still battle with just giving up.
If one of you does feel it necessary to learn the terrible truth remember this when your world seems destroyed, it is what has gotten me through:
“It may be the reason you live, but it is not what you live for.”
# posted by : January 16, 2007 3:53 PM
: January 16, 2007 3:53 PM
Those are definitely the words of a salvia smoker, no doubt about it.
Now I would venture that Anon's extreme paranoia and displeasure with the world was sustained from his continued and unabashed abuse of the plant.
Anon even admits that his first few times, when using it like a moderately sane individual, were "mystical", not depressing beyond repair.
I've also never heard of salvia in a liquid form, but I'm not "enlightened".
Most normal people are terrified of Salvia after smoking it, and I can't imagine ever trying to go back for more. And judging by Anon's comments, it's probably for the best!
Now I would venture that Anon's extreme paranoia and displeasure with the world was sustained from his continued and unabashed abuse of the plant.
Anon even admits that his first few times, when using it like a moderately sane individual, were "mystical", not depressing beyond repair.
I've also never heard of salvia in a liquid form, but I'm not "enlightened".
Most normal people are terrified of Salvia after smoking it, and I can't imagine ever trying to go back for more. And judging by Anon's comments, it's probably for the best!
thank you for your post. It has made me a non salvia user to not want to pursue it. God bless you and thanks again.
our reward and meaning is in God - plain and simple- we are nothing without God.
sounds like I am super religious but that is the truth that I have discovered. it is all of our truths.
That is why he came in human form in Jesus to show us that he is the truth and the life. everything else is death.
sure we all experiment with recreational thrills but we are playing with our souls here. please be grounded in God and don't lose your soul in this world.
I wish all who search here a blessing of peace and love. God is love. please remember that
"Do not go searching for life’s meaning, anywhere. God does not want you to know the answer. I can still feel the horror that consumed me when I learned the answer; I still feel ashamed to be apart of this “life†and am disgusted by every person, animal, plant, and insect that I see. I still battle with just giving up."
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our reward and meaning is in God - plain and simple- we are nothing without God.
sounds like I am super religious but that is the truth that I have discovered. it is all of our truths.
That is why he came in human form in Jesus to show us that he is the truth and the life. everything else is death.
sure we all experiment with recreational thrills but we are playing with our souls here. please be grounded in God and don't lose your soul in this world.
I wish all who search here a blessing of peace and love. God is love. please remember that
"Do not go searching for life’s meaning, anywhere. God does not want you to know the answer. I can still feel the horror that consumed me when I learned the answer; I still feel ashamed to be apart of this “life†and am disgusted by every person, animal, plant, and insect that I see. I still battle with just giving up."
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